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There was such potential with the paradoxes created by Susan Triads killing people in different times on, at least, Earth and having a Time Lord but, nope, ignored.

All it needed was a simple, Sutekh has only been on The Tardis since Wild Blue Yonder (Susan Twists first appearance and first Tardis groan sound) And the sand just escapes from the earth, not every planet the doctor landed on ever. Instead of overinflated the stakes it needed to make sense.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! Oh god it was all SOOOOO fooking awful 🤣

I think the timeless children and the vanqasahiers are better finales

The whole episode was just riddled with problems - from the pacing feeling completely off from the start (as you mention with the rush to have everything end in 5 minutes, which is obviously not sticking), to the lack of competency from the Doctor (an issue from the whole season), to the myriad of plot holes, and the extremely disappointing conclusions and answers. It genuinely feels like RTD wrote an interesting background plot for the series and then decided that "the audience might guess it" so chose THE most boring conclusion possible despite the ridiculous plot holes that come along with it. A second draft being needed is generous, I think RTD needs a writers' room that makes him redraft things a good 5 or more times. At least then things might be satisfying, even if his desire to write with plot holes can't be fixed!

15 year old British girls sometimes act very dramatically. Shamima begum went to Syria and joined a terrorist group at 15.

Since he bigenerated it's like there are now two half doctors, neither good enough to be a whole doctor. It's metaphorical of how they have intentionally split the fans, divide and rule ethics.

The twist is also ruined because the ambulance (which was wayy after 2046) couldn’t find ruby’s family, which implies that they exist in no records at all - it makes no sense to then have her family in records

The big issue I've not heard people talk about with the "kind woman" scene is that the synopsis for the episode literally says nothing can save the world "except, perhaps, one woman" and then RTD reiterated in as a tease the world would be saved by "a very kind woman" yet by the end of the episode you forget she was even in it. And like you say the spoon feels so irrelevant to actually saving the day anyway. It seems to emphasise how unaware he is of what he wrote! The other issue is we never establish that metal is scarce. I mean why would Sutehk want to destroy all metal. He only says he's destroying living things. This is never established. So it's such a jarring moment to suddenly just accept there's no metal.

This review tries to discourage fans from this series. I watch this episode on bbc player and thoroughly enjoyed it. I also enjoyed the previous 7 episodes. Obviously this review gives negative facts and tries to discourage fans from watching it.

I bet rubys dad is the trickster because by hiding the mother then that means it was the trickster who made the mother a mystery and makes more sense as to why sutekh couldn’t find out who she is and works with the tricksters theme paralleling the music of the song Ruby has in her heart

Each one of these single episodes this season cost more than it cost to make "Godzilla Minus One" , and that got the FX Oscar... where the hell did all that money go on Doctor Who?

Luke Skywalker didn’t have any special heritage at the time and the Force wasn’t anything exclusive. Anyone could become a Jedi, some are just more talented to begin with. Luke has importance only because his father was Emperor’s top guy. Even with Anakin all these Chosen One stuff was just something the Jedi believed in, nothing more.

Wait so when the doctor and the tardis split into two, suketh split in two? Or he just chose that other tardis? Sorry just curious, haven't watched any of this since timeless child just kept up with youtube reviews.

It’s hilarious to me that you thought boom was good and this was bad 😭

Totally agree it’s no where near as bad as Battle Of Ranskoor Av Kolos (which btw I love how you’ve just Chinese whispered to death at this point 😂), like it literally didn’t even feel like a finale, just a mid season episode only with ever so slightly higher stakes than normal that even then you don’t feel like are so much as they have no real major impact, like Tim Shaw targeting Earth with the great big laser but not showing you at all what’s actually happening down there as it hits it

I do think that Sutekh's interest in the mother could have been actually explained quite easily giving it more context. For example he could have been interested because when she walked away from Ruby something died in her so that he saw her both as a life and dead which intrigued him so much, and because the tardis was never this close to something like this he got intrigued and obsessed, triggering all that snow anytime the Doctor and Ruby mentioned it causing the snow.

This episode felt so lackluster, just got to the point where I was begging it would get better, just like how I felt with the 60th. I'm sick of getting hyped and then being letdown, fool me once right ? :(

Bannerlord video when?

If it is "supposed to be watched back to back" that's a very badly designed pair of episodes when the majority of viewers will see it as teo episodes separated by a week! In facr, with no gap at all there is no cliffhanger, so is it a bad cliffhanger pairing as well?

I think her father's going to be someone maybe Mrs flood is a regeneration of her dad.

My rewrite rant for Empire Of Death below(I am by no means a writer): I am going to try and make a bulleted list of what could have been done to make this more satisfying in my personal perspective. I will keep it grounded to what has been implied or shown previously, my new concepts having to have a basis in the show's themes and such. 1. The start of the episode should have been Mel hitting Susan with a chair and giving a witty one liner ("I bring Mel's gift of chair" or something meme worthy). This feels more interesting than just pulling The Doctor back. Also the Doctor should snap out of the shock and ask people to run and escape with him and Mel, and Susan chasing them and killing off the people with the gift of death, a horror movie chase vibe to sell the death theme. 2.Have UNIT and Kate immediately respond without prompt by The Doctor firing at Sutekh, and Kate ordering the Vlinx to engage some technobabble anti-Artron energy containment field or displacement beam at Sutekh. We see in "Legend of Ruby Sunday" that artron energy is used for the time window, so it's relevant. Older fans will recognize it. Have the displacement beam or whatever actually stun Sutekh and Harbinger, as well as Susan, who we see stumble in pain allowing Mel and The Doctor to escape, get on the motorbike back to UNIT, The doctor on the line with Kate what they're doing. 3.Kate should explain developing TARDIS targeting technology with the Vlinx, using that to target Sutekh, the Doctor realizing Sutekh has bound himself to the TARDIS, and thus has absorbed this weakness, as the Doctor explains to Mel whats artron energy and why that's working. 4. Kate should evacuate everyone as she notices the containment or beam start to fail as Sutekh taunts her for her attempt and exclaims the imminent joy he will have in personally killing her. Everyone leaves and gets the rest of UNIT to start evacuating to a bunker or some safe room. Ibrahim should stay with Kate, cue the final speech to The Doctor, watch as Sutekh breaks free of the containment, swats Ibrahim away fatally, and then directly touches Kate, before devouring her whole as we hear her scream and then silence. Cue The Doctor as he expresses his fear that there's nothing to be done because Sutekh is too powerful, cue Mel's great line here as she drives to UNIT HQ.

I would put this as the worst Doctor Who finale I have ever seen, the script was appalling, it was anticlimactic and totally left me thinking Do I want to continue watching this utter rubbish. Nothing worked. Yes there were good bits of CGI, but overall, my only conclusion is If this is the rubbish, Davies is going to present the viewer, perhaps its high time either Davies goes or the programme is cancelled. This was the worst season of Doctor Who ever.

I was so disappointed to find out Ruby's mom was just some ordinary run of the mill woman. I'm like, come on!! This can't be it!!

i think the only misstep in your review is the bit around 18:00- its pretty clearly shown that ruby cant read the dna results, as they have to recover the information at unit hq... if she knew the id of the mother, she'd just be able to tell the vlinx her name and boom. and she wouldnt be as shocked learning she was an ordinary woman

I think the whole "the mother is no one special, the special thing is what we made of her" can be a good message, it just does not work with all the setup with the snow, the pointing and sutekh caring at all (wich still doesnt make sense to me) and the way he was efeated theough breaking a tv screen is so damn stupid, like I dont mind the main part of the episode, but the end minutes are so damn infuriating to me, the worst imo is when ruby said "my real mom" wich is such a punch in the face for all foster parents and just seems tactless and rude.

I think the Susan Triad's would've worked better if the Doctor and Ruby never noticed them in the previous episodes. Them noticing this woman popping up this season begs the question of why the Doctor has never noticed her before in his thousands of previous adventures. Would've been more fun as a mystery for the fans as well if they didn't get any answers until the end. Wouldn't even have to rewrite the finale too much, the Doctor can still head over to UNIT to sort out the Ruby's Mum mystery and the Susan stuff can unfold a bit more naturally. Would also explain why he chooses to do the time window stuff instead of dealing with triad technologies, which seems like a far more time sensitive priority.

Rowling is demonised for saying men and women are fundamentally different. Whereas Tennant gets awarded by saying a black woman who thinks differently than he does shouldn't live. One of these is not like the other.

Wait... when did Cherry Sunday get her cup of tea? I must have missed that part. Dang, I missed the best bit! :(

Honestly, I'd rather look at it this way. You can kill the Avatar of the God, but you can't kill the God itself.

The memory Tardis looked way better than the wheelchair accessible aluminium disco Tardis.

"You should not have come back." - Darth Vader to RTD, probably. But seriously, RTD has been so terrible, with poor retcons and cheap mystery box clickbait. Doctor Who is a show about moving forward.

It was a sacrifice - It was still searching for the name. She didn't know the name yet.

i think ruby's mother will turn out to be an alien or something in season 2 because it seems like unfinished business

The issue with season 2 for me is Rose, she was great at the time but since her we've had Clara, Martha, Donna, Amy, River and Yaz, they're what I consider strong, independent companions who hold their own far better than Rose did, the illusion of Rose has eroded since being given all these fantastic companions, which I don't think is a bad thing

The best part about the Empire of Death was having the choice of not watching this pile a crap!!

I think that RTD should've taken notes from episode 7 instead of 8. Have Ruby never find out, have her move on. Like you said, it would've added to the scene with her and Sutekh.

I definetly dont see this 2 parter fledged out to an flux like series, but I would liked it to be an 3 parter. I think the basic Idea was very great, but it would have needed more time to execute.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to have had the Beast from The Satan to be The One who Who Waits?. The Beast could have latched onto the Tardis before falling into the black hole at the end of the episode. Also, the Beast was an actual god from before the dawn of time. The original evil.

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I knew nothing was going to matter after Rubys mom dusted. The only part that made me emotional was when i heard Sarah Jane through the monitor. I had a bad day and hearing Sarah Jane just made me bawl.

I really really, feel like Sutekh should have been maybe a two season maybe three season villain, built up with little clues and hints dropped here and there but not overt that might have been better maybe still like em though

GROUP HOWL (IM FUCKING HOWLING WTF I NEED THAT IN CANNON)

i agree that the episode was ridiculously underwhelming but the one thing i want to point out is that im pretty sure that there was quite literally nothing on the dna test screen. that’s why ruby dropping the screen feels somewhat satisfactory. ruby still doesnt understand it herself, why would sutekh? (another note, im glad you pointed out how goofy that one shot was. its awful and me and my friends found it so funny)

My thoughts re: Sutekh v. other introduced “gods” Toymaker and Maestro is that leaving Sutekh only in cranky winged jackal made made him seem less threatening than Toymaker or Maestro - even though he was killing the universe more effectively than the first two. Having cranky winged jackal as the means by which Sutekh held onto the TARDIS (I do wonder how he felt about Jack & Clara hanging on as well) is a great concept. But having him then transform into an update of the Pyramid of Mars manifestation. Having a strutting, ominous baddy coming to Ruby for the screen or hurling the Doctor across the room with a green powered gesture would have been a plus. Other fails include the kindly woman. What this needed was to have a reason to care about the woman in terms of connecting the woman to a planet we’ve been to in NewWho or Classic Who. So that when the Doctor identifies the world she lived on it would have more impact than some rando from a rando planet. Yes, we don’t know every planet the Doctor has been … but this is a situation where knowing she was from a planet as known as the Oodsphere or Skaro. Having Ruby’s mom be an ordinary woman who left her child at a church because of the nature of her home life is great. What fails though are all of the elements that were part of the misdirects. The cloak, the pointing, the snow, the Carole of the Bells, everything is … poof …nothing. Series 2 needs to do better.

These deep retcons always have these problems, just like the reveal that the Silence have been on Earth for millions of years.

“It’s made of hopes and dreams” I cannot tell you how much that explanation bugs me. There’s leaning into fantasy, then there’s insulting the audience. Could have said “this is something TARDISes do when they’re in distress, its like an escape pod”. But no, it’s made of ephemeral concepts. If this meant like “the old rig is held together by hopes and dreams” like a figure of the speech. It’s just not how the line read.

Why is everyone suddenly dunking on Doctor Who? It's finally back with a bang.